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     picasso Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Hi, somehow the thread is lost, so here again the memovox: http://www.juwelier-wilfart.de/web/en/uhren/index.htm?showid=1222403&pagina=0&bg color=&background=&printmode=&nomenu=1&MARKE_ID=&SUCH_PVON=&SUCH_PBIS=&PREISKAT_ ID=&MODELL=&MWSTAUSW=&SORTIERUNG=&debug=&FZART_ID=&myfunction=suchefuerhaendler& MVAL=127_&SA_LAENGE= The price is 2590 � included a full non-JLC service. Probably there will be some new JLC papers from JLC Germany, so that the authenticity should be no problem. The movement is clean. On the dial there is one micro-"dot" where someone has worked at, but all the rest is ok. So the price is ok? I understand the black world time dial ist very rare? Thx for your advice! | |||
| clavi Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
a black memovox is very rare. But this one is standard memovox repainted in black, with repainted worldtime dial, so it is basically worth less than a standard "silver dial" memovox with original dial and no worldtime indication. You'd better pass on that one at this price | |||
| picasso Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Clavi, are you sure? When the watch gets new papers, it has to be original i think?! | |||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 2192 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
I don't see how you can tell from those pictures that the dial is redone. Worth personal inspection for sure if you are near the shop. If it is real, I don't think it is a crazy price. The earlier messages got deleted as I had to restore from a back up, the board got hit with so much spam that I didn't want to spend my day deleting it. | |||
| clavi Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
I am not sure and the watch would need visual direct inspection, but from the pictures it seems (to me) that the luminous dots on the alarm scale are too big (these are apparently very difficult to reproduce as per orginal standards by redialers). Also, the white looks very white, but from a picture we can't say for sure. In addition, on the side biew picture, the index look a bit smooth as it they had been slightly polished. I have a memovox with refinished dial and it has this defect. But it is difficult to tell from the picture And finally, the examples of E855 with WT dial which come to my mind have an applied (instead of painted) arrow for alarm, but this might be due to different production times since I own regular memovoxes with both configurations) You said that the watch has a had a non-JLC service, so I misunderstood the sentence on "papers" of authentification (since I didn't think that JLC would do stand alone authentification without a service at the manufacture). The details which 'tipped' me on a redial are all not strong evidences, only things to check thoroughly, but black dials and worldtime dials are very frenquently forged, so there is a great level of doubt for these models, and esecially for one combining the 2 features. But of course, if there is authentification papers from JLC, there is much less doubts (although I believe they didn't keep records of the serial numbers of the few worldtime watches). That being said, if everything is OK, the price is right and you would be hard pressed to find a 'good' black dial (with or without WT dial) below this price. Visual inspection should also lift the doubt if you have already seen a genuine black dial in person since the surface condition of the original black paint is quite typical and likely difficult to reproduce for a standard redialer | |||
| clavi Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
After thoughts: I have checked my database of Memovox pictures, and have found examples of likely good worldtime dials without the "applied alarm arrow". Actually , the "applied alarm arrow" is to be found on the type II and type III dials of the E855, but on Type I dial, it is painted (worldtime or not worldtime). note: Type I dial are those with double index at 6 and 9, as per the black watch we discuss here, type II dials have triple index at 6 and 9 and are found later in the production, while type III dials have 'inverted T section' with black panted index top, and this later type of dial comes with baton hands. So, the major concern left to me on the black WW memo now is the size of luminous dots. Anyway, az Zaf said, only visual inspection can tell the good from the bad now, sorry if I have been a bit quick in my judgement. | |||
| Ilja Probst Moderator Username: Ilja Post Number: 196 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
?! to keep it short: give it a personal inspection, or ask for full refund if it turns out to be repainted. Another important point, ask for the case reference number INSIDE the caseback. ilja | |||
| Christian New member Username: Picasso Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Thank you very much for the info! So i think you are right with the dots. I renember the seller told me they are luminating and could have been worked at (better to say it is quite sure). Would that be a problem, if the dial itself is ok? This would be my first JLC (before only rolex vintages) and i am quite unsure. I like it very much. The seller thinks he can get papers. JLC and the seller are in the same city, maybe this makes it possible. The seller ist quite serious, and if there are problems i could send the watch back. But i doubt i could find the problems, if there are some and they are not obvious. By the way: sorry for my poor english | |||
| Ilja Probst Moderator Username: Ilja Post Number: 197 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
Hi Christian - kein problem, wir sprechen auch deutsch.  werde aber in englisch fortfahren, damit der rest auch was versteht, ok? jlc in nürnberg has failed many times, and these guys seldom can (or are willing to) spot a redone dial. nor do they have any knowledge about their vintage timepieces. just jlc lesentier does have the skills and options to tell if something is really original. Ask them to send you a movement and inside caseback picture. at this point we even don�t know if the movement is signed jaeger-lecoultre or just lecoultre (us-market). | |||
| Christian New member Username: Picasso Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Hi all, thank you for your help. I decided to let go the watch, i think i have to learn much more about JLC before i feel safe enough. Did not think it is so tricky with the vintage ones. Christian | |||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 10 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
I have bought this one in the same shop.
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| Herman New member Username: Herman Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
well, that kind of clinches it, since keke's dial is obviously non-authentic - just look at the "san francisc". | |||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 13 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
The problem is that i have never seen San Fransisco written until the last o. I will be glad to see one picture in that case. |
