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     jaeger-lc Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110026379533&ssPageName=ADME: B:EF:US:2 Zaf, Can you verify this watch listed on ebay above to be all original? I think I see a few problems here as this reputable seller states the dial is 100% original but shouldn't the inner disk read Lecoultre Automatic? Also notice the automatic rotor bridge reads P815 which denotes no date. Any help would be appreciated? | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 2109 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
I *REALLY* dislike commenting on other people's auctions, but yes, the caliber 815 is a no date model. Perhaps a better way for you to gather information is to ask if a cal 815 is a no date movement rather than providing an actual link to an ongoing item. Thanks. Zaf | ||
| Polaris King Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Hello All, We should all be academically honest. The dial is an obvious refinish (as the seller mentions in his posting.) However, the no dates are a caliber 815 and NOT an 825! The seller knows better as well! | ||
| HerrK Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Regarding the movement I'd like to draw your attention to the fact that the rotor bridge is marked P815 whilst the movement is signed K825 below the balance. | ||
| Hex onX New member Username: Hexonx Post Number: 155 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
Hmmm. Interesting posts. Very informative. | ||
| Polaris King Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Hello Everyone, The problem with this specific watch is that the watch has been put together. The movement most likely was not original to this case and dial. The seller knows this as well as has listed the watch in such a way that the buyer's identity remains unknown so that no one can caution potential bidders. Shame...Shame.... | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 2116 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
This site isn't really intended to police people's ebay auctions, but yes, that watch does have issues. I personally will not bid on anything that has private bidders or private feedback... | ||
| Hex onX New member Username: Hexonx Post Number: 156 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
I don't bid on private auctions either because it makes me feel vulnerable and SOL if the item that I bid on is a POS. Why? Well for example, I have sent messages to sellers regarding discrepancies about an item. Those that are upfront explain the circumstances and revise. The others that are shady ignore and most of the time it's a private auction. | ||
| Jay Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
This, I believe, is what an original dial for this model should look like. It shouldn't read Memovox.  | ||
| Hex onX New member Username: Hexonx Post Number: 157 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
Interesting. I have never seen a JLC with the LeCoultre signature on the moving inside disc. The signature is usually around the 12oclock area on the outer dial. | ||
| Jay Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Hex, It's original! If you notice there's no room on either the top or bottom on the outer dial for the lettering. Jay | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 2122 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
Definitely original, I have had that dial before. There is a huge variety in JLC/LC alarm dials. I would not make any conclusions from only seeing 3-4 of them. | ||
| Hex onX New member Username: Hexonx Post Number: 159 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
I guess it's okay looking if you keep the alarm pointer at 12 Noon.  | ||
| GregB Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Sorry for my absence. I broke my leg (tibia/fibula compound fracture) in a mountain biking accident last week and was just released from the hospital. I didn't see any of these comments while the auction was in progress. 1) I hadn't noticed the "815" signature on the bridge when handling the watch. Obviously, it was replaced by someone at some point in time with the identical bridge from it's sister movement. The watch is exactly as I purchased it. 2) The outer alarm dial is absolutely original, though I believe, as commented here, that the inner dial is not correct and has been replaced at some time. Again, the watch is exactly as I received it but I didn't inspect it carefully in my haste to get it listed. 3) I've notified the winning bidder of the discrepancies and told them that I'll gladly waive the auction results, if they want. Actually, my return policies allow a buyer to return any watch for a 100% full refund for ANY reason... even if the description were accurate. I never want someone to keep a watch that they aren't 100% happy with. 4) It's odd that not a single person in this forum bothered to write to me via the "contact seller" link to let me know if the problems. I received no e-mails whatsoever about this watch. It seems that it is much more fun to talk behind one's back and point fingers than to actually take positive action to help. Sad. I do a lot of work on this board and others to try and help others and responsibly promote the vintage JLC brand, but it seems to have done nothing but make me a target. I'm not infallable. When I do make mistakes, I'm always willing to do the right thing. My sales policies reflect that and my regular buyers already know that I stand behind what I sell. Greg | ||
| HerrK Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Hi Greg, I did not point my finger and did not make you a target. I was just commenting on the movement. This does not imply anything about the seller - and was not ment to. As you are posting quite often I did not find it necessary to contact you directly. I thought you would read the posts anyway. Christian | ||
| GregB Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Christian, I didn't mean to imply that you, specifically, were the one who was pointing a finger. There are a couple of other posters in this thread my comments were intended for. They tend to take joy in bagging on sellers any chance they get. I've always felt that you don't lift yourself up by putting others down. A lot of good can come from asking good questions in a public forum, but you have to be careful that the posting remains focused on examining the watch/movement and not on slinging mud at people and making fun. Certainly, if you find something unusual or wrong about an auction listing, you should ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS contact the seller for clarification or to let them know of the problem. Larger sellers have a lot on their plate and we do make mistakes. I was in the hospital when this auction was taking place, but normally when I receive e-mail alerting me to discrepancies or problems, I will always take immediate action to modify the auction description or stop the auction entirely. When you offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee anyway, it just doesn't make any sense to have "surprises" for the buyer. As Zaf & Don or any other good seller will tell you, success comes from having loyal, repeat buyers who are happy with what they purchase and come back again and again. Regards, Greg |