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     Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 1898 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
1. A completely made up watch: http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-CHRONOGRAPH-LECOULTRE-MILITARY-VALJOUX-23-SWISS_W0QQ itemZ8928552401QQcategoryZ31387QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 2. An obvious re-dial presented as original: http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-LECOULTRE-FUTUREMATIC-SOLID-14K-GOLD-SWISS_W0QQitemZ 8929758169QQcategoryZ31387QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | ||
| Hex onX New member Username: Hexonx Post Number: 126 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
Yes. The canadians chronographs are complete "Frankens". The movements might be what JLC used at one time, but not this movement. The signed bridge looks madeup. Here are some pics I got from a dealer that has what looks like a real chronograph. Notice the movement and the way it is signed. More traditional JLC and it looks like it came from the factory.     | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 1903 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
They're not even Franken. Franken has some real parts. I don't think there are ANY parts in his chronos. What you are showing is what a LeCoultre valjoux 72 should look like. | ||
| Hex onX New member Username: Hexonx Post Number: 129 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
Zaf- The Canadian updated his auction format and added a sellers policy. Still no negative feedbacks yet. I wonder if this has anything to do with those who pulled the trigger then want to keep it a secret regarding buyers remorse. Quite ingenious. See the return and refund policy below. The part about not gauranteeing authenticity on parts. LOL!!! The latest is a cushion case master mariner. - Please take time to review all photos and description and ask all question PRIOR to bidding, to avoid returns. - 100% refund is available only in case of gross misrepresentations or receiving an item by mistake. - We can not guarantee an 100% authenticity for each part of not new second hand's items, if it is not stated in the listing, please check all details before put a bid. - If you feel the item is not as described, please notify us within three days after you receive it and we will issue a return authorization. Don't send items back without Autorization. - When we receive the item back, a refund will be issued in the same method that was used for payment. - Item MUST return in ORIGINAL condition in original or similar to original package within 7 days after the item recevied. - 15% restocking fee will be applied for returned policy. All S/H fee, PayPal and eBay fees are excluded. - Any damage that may cause during shipping, human error or abuse, consequential, incidental or special damages, or parts had been exchanged will not be accepted. - Any obvious tampering or damage to the item due to third party mishandling will result in the immediate return of the item to the buyer. | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 1927 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
Actually the master mariner looks OK! Shocking! For sure he has a format where: a) Bidders can't be contacted during the auction b) The auction numbers themselves are private in his feedback erasing all trace of the fraud. A scary seller. | ||
| Hex onX New member Username: Hexonx Post Number: 131 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
Yes. I was comparing it to the other one that closed out from Israel. I was surprised that it was quite original looking. I'm not sure what kind of policy Ebay has on these private auctions but I am thinking there has to be some kind of disclaimer or disclosure before someone "pulls the trigger" in order for the auction to be fair. Apparently this could be why the new wording in the auctions. | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 1928 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
eBay really needs to get rid of that "feature" that's how all the crooks hide. | ||
| Hex onX New member Username: Hexonx Post Number: 132 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
I agree. There has to be an extra step in the private auctions in order to verify the items as authentic in percentages by a neutral party. An escrow authentication service that is connected to paypal somehow. Many sellers hate escrow services because the deal will be lost if the item is not legit. BTW. I noticed two different master mariner watches in the auction. All look the same except the last pic worn on the wrist. That watch is different IMO. The lumens are newer and the minute hand on the end is not damaged looking. The edging on the minute hand appears gone with the other pics? | ||
| Hex onX New member Username: Hexonx Post Number: 133 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
Latest continuation. However this auction 8932660551 is getting lowballed. $10 US start and only up in the mid $100 US. It seems the cat is out of the bag on this one... Zaf take a look at this monster. Waddya think?  | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 1930 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
The only thing that could have gone on a JLC chrono is the bezel. It's sort of a generic part and was used by several manufacturers. The rest is entirely made up... | ||
| NickC Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
The Master Mariner is back - same serial number and movement/inner case pics - different watch | ||
| NickC Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
130001406239 that is | ||
| fpsfqqa New member Username: Fpsfqqa Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2006 Rating: N/A |
Just discovered your forum, and it's already in my favorites. I'm definitely attracted by JLC watches, but do not know so much about them. Could give me some advice on interesting books on JLC (I already have Manfred Fritz' Reverso, the living legend), and on the different models produced so far ? By the way, how do you know the master mariner is fake one ? Thx in advance | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 2015 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
The MM looks real, it's just that he is noting a different watch has the same serial #s as a previous one. Russian Roulette. |