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     Fortuny New member Username: Fortuny Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2011 Rating: N/A |
Hi, I got this "reverso" from my grandfather and I will like to know more about it. I know that the first reverso had the movement from lisica, which is a brand from cyma but I did't see any on internet were you can read Cyma in the front insead of Reverso, I hear and see some of Gubelin, Turler, Cartier, Hausmann, also Favre Leuba, Movado, Hamilton, but never Cyma. Anyone could tell me something about this watch? Thank you very much  | ||
| Ilja Moderator Username: Ilja Post Number: 304 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
This watch actually gives proof the Reverso is in fact no LeCoultre invention. Since it bears a Lisica signed movement and is signed Cyma. Most known Türler, Gübelin, Cartier etc. signed Reversos are Lecoultre products with LeCoultre movements. All above named brands were retailers, Movado once did a two-dialed Reverso of some kind. The US product Hamilton Otis is something special since it was sold for a long period and had nothing to do with LeCoultre. Since the Reverso is one of JLC's flag lines their marketing wants us to believe they invented it. ;) It would be nice to see the case serial (at least the last 3 digits should be visible on each case part). Maybe you can take some more pictures. | ||
| Gatorcpa Intermediate Member Username: Gatorcpa Post Number: 116 Registered: 11-2006 Rating: N/A |
You can find pictures of many of the non-JLC Reverso variants here: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?tt=url&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.risingsun watches.com%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2043&lp=es_en&.intl=us&fr=yfp-t-305 On the Hamilton Otis -- I've been told many times that JLC supposedly sued Hamilton over this case design. I can find no evidence of such a lawsuit. The Otis's Reverso-style case was produced in the USA under a USA patent obtained by the original inventor of the Reverso, Rene Chauvot. http://www.watchtalkforums.info/forums/picture.php?albumid=26&pictureid=197 I think that at some point during the production of the Otis from 1938-41, JLC purchased all the patents from Mr. Chauvot. Once the US entered WWII in December 1941, all consumer watch production was halted, and that was the end of the Otis. Thanks for the info Ilja, gatorcpa | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 5303 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
Perhaps Hamilton never made any money on these? I'd imagine, if it wasn't a lawsuit, it was not a commercial success, therefore the end of production. LeCoultre didn't invent the Atmos either, but that's now heavily associated with the company. | ||
| Gatorcpa Intermediate Member Username: Gatorcpa Post Number: 117 Registered: 11-2006 Rating: N/A |
I guess what I meant is that after four years of war production only, Hamilton introduced entirely new models. Very few pre-war designs were offered in 1946. Don't know if the Otis was profitable or not. Based on avaliability today, they must have sold quite well. Take care, gatorcpa | ||
| Fortuny New member Username: Fortuny Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2011 Rating: N/A |
 Here is the movement of the Reverso Cyma, Is a Lisica and I guess is a 063 caliber. I will apreciate any help. thanks | ||
| Fortuny New member Username: Fortuny Post Number: 3 Registered: 06-2011 Rating: N/A |
Here it is the back of the case. You can read a "C" could be C from Cyma? Somebody could tell me more about this Reverso Cyma? how many they made or some more details? Thank you.  | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 5311 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
That letter on other cases usually signifies whom the case maker is, so yes, it is plausible that it stands for Cyma. | ||
| Fortuny New member Username: Fortuny Post Number: 4 Registered: 06-2011 Rating: N/A |
Thank you very much Zaf, For any chance, could you tell me how many of them were made? Do you think if it help to ask for the Extract from the Archives to the Heritage Manufacture of Jaeger Le Coultre, I think the cost is 300 suisse francs but maybe could be worthy. Thank you very much again. | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 5319 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
I really don't. JLC itself does not know exactly how many JLC reversos were made, so they'll have no idea when it comes to Cyma...they will not be able to produce an extract as it is not a JLC product. |