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     Michael_m New member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
Hello, what do you think about this nice LeCoultre chronograph Dato-Compax with calibre Valjoux 72C ?   | ||
| Michael_m New member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
Here some mor photos about the Valjoux 72C     (Message edited by admin on December 05, 2010) | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 4910 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
It's fake. | ||
| Michael_m New member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
Why do you think so ? | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 4916 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
Because LeCoultre never made a triple calander chronograph and they never signed the movements that way. They're all coming form the same prolific Polish faker via German channels, but they've been out for 7-8 years now, so they can come from anywhere. | ||
| Michael_m New member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
Thank you, please what is about this Lecoultre Valjoux72. Is it a fake too ? http://cgi.ebay.de/Jaeger-LeCoultre-Valjoux-72-Vintage-Cronograph-/160512884495? pt=Wristwatches&hash=item255f503f0f | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 4918 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
That seems to be OK, except the crown and hour and minute hands. It is not a desirable model. But $9000? Any time you want a valjoux 72 LeCoultre in that price rnage let me know! I'd be happy to sell you one. I'll even make it the world time Shark model with a box and extra bezel which is 10x more sought after than this! | ||
| Michael_m New member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
Back to the first Valjoux 72C I bought it in USA for 2000,- $. But where would be the sense to fake something like that? First you have to find a waterproof Oyster case with no markings, not simple, then a dial, then a movement Valjoux 72C with a bridge with no markings. All this together would have been cost at least 3000. - $. Then you just have to make false marks to the end the complet watch for 2000,- $ to sale ? | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 4919 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
It's a fake sorry. I've been looking at this stuff for almost 25 years. I've examined 1000s of watches. They all came out of Germany suddenly 7-8 years ago. There are no triple date triple chrono LeCoultres. The dial is made up and the bridge is modifed from a blank. There is not a single USA catalog which will have this model in it. | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 4920 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
Also, why would would supposedly a USA market watch have the date in French?? Because it's a fake! | ||
| Michael_m New member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
Ok, thank you. Here I found another. Its not far from me, I want go there and look the movement and inner back.What do you think about this : http://www.chrono24.com/de/jaegerlecoultre/chronograph-calender-vintage--id15220 14.htm | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 4921 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
There are no Valjoux 72C in LeCoultre or JLC that are real that I am aware of. Like I said the Germans (with a Polish twist) have been faking these for several years. there is not one single USA market catalog that will show a 72C. | ||
| Michael_m New member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
Here again one photo of the movement of the LeCoultre ftom chrono24. For me it looks original.  | ||
| Peter_green New member Username: Peter_green Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2010 Rating: N/A |
the movement here has the correct signature.Notice this is signed with 3 lines of type,look at the font size.This is the correct signature for most Lecoultre Valjoux 72 round pusher chronographs sold in the USA.Later ones with the 14K fluted bezel will only have 2 lines of type.  | ||
| Michael_m New member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
Yes I understand this. But why do you think that all one line signatur is fake ? It looks original for my eyes. And both of this one line signed watches came from USA some years ago. | ||
| Peter_green New member Username: Peter_green Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2010 Rating: N/A |
10 years ago you could not get a single line signed Lecoultre with round pushers,all the confirmed fakes such as this one have the same exact single line oversized signature.If you study the way that V72 ebauches came from Valjoux you can see that many are signed with similar 3 line signatures.Check out a Wittnauer 72c for instance  | ||
| Michael_m New member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
I think, i have the biggest collection of Valjoux 7C calibre watches in the world. But I know, its not so easy to find a lot of these rund pusher cases and nearly impossible to find it without any brand signatur on the movement and on the case to produce such perfect fakes. I dont believe it. I bougt also a Breitling rund case watch from Zaf one year ago, but this is stolen now. look here my Valjoux 72C watches if you are interested : http://www.museum-shop-online.de/datora-vollkalender-c-45.html?page=4&sort=2a | ||
| Michael_m Junior Member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
And if someone want to produce a perfect fake LeCoultre Valjoux 72C Dato-compax, it would be very easy to buy a cheep genuine Valjoux 72 LeCoultre watch and change the bridge and maybe the case. Then its perfect and nobody will see a difference. Why he must engrave a new so perfect and old looking one line signature ? | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 4931 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
If it was a USA market watch, the movement would indicate by law the jewel count and wether it is adjusted or not. Back then, for the legal importation of Swiss movements this was a requirement. Therefore, the single line LeCoultre signature with no indication of jewel count and adjustments, can not be found in a USA watch. So, if it is not a USA watch, then what is it? (Message edited by admin on December 05, 2010) | ||
| Ilja Moderator Username: Ilja Post Number: 302 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
I do not see that this discussion leads to anything, honestly. It's a long therm figth, fakers vs. true watch collectors. These watchauction24 crocks are widely on the record for their unethical business and even German TV covered them. ;) Me at least am not willing to do fakers homework to reimprove their skills. One can not produce a "perfect" val 72c LeCoultre fake, simply because this kind of beast never existed, so it just can be a wanna-be thing. Another issue: I find it hard to believe you are indeed posting a link to a site, where you are selling your own watches. | ||
| Christopherg Junior Member Username: Christopherg Post Number: 40 Registered: 03-2010 Rating: N/A |
I'm with Ilja. Michael m, now that you have learned that the watch you are offering for sale for 28,000 Euros (close to 20 times what you paid for it!) is clearly a miserable fake, I hope that you will be honest enough to stop misrepresenting it and withdraw it from sale. | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 4940 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
It would also be nice if you would NOT use my name to imply that it is real because I haven't seen one before. If I haven't seen one, the implication should be that it is fake. I state in the book that I have never seen a genuine valjoux 72C used in a LC/JLC product. You watch, for the reasons I state above can not be a USA watch. | ||
| Leonlecoultre New member Username: Leonlecoultre Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2009 Rating: N/A |
Concerning watch #2 above, you say "That seems to be OK, except the crown and hour and minute hands." I am not sure what you are referring to as All the hands on the ebay watch and the watch referred to in the link are the same? | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 4953 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
Yes, they are the same, so most likely they're fine. | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 4955 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
I am closing this thread now. Any other comments, please start a new one. |