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     David Silverman Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
I would like to know if Patek Phillipe ever marked an automatic watch with Lecoultre Futurematic rear set movement???? If so, was the movement signed Lecoultre??? | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 1214 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
I am not aware of a Patek Futurematic. There maybe a back set "Duoplan" that migh have been used by Patek. Certainly there are Cartier marked ones. | ||
| David Silverman Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Thanks very much. The reason I was asking was because I just saw a Patek with a rear set dial and was wondering what model this was. Do you know of a Patek with a rear set dial? thanks, David | ||
| Mike Lulejian New member Username: Mikey100 Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2005 Rating: N/A |
I OWN this particular Patek you refer to, David. It is quite beautiful, with the Blue Sunburst dial. However, after being totally screwed on the purchasing the watch from Tom K--- (well known in collector watch circles) and subsequent NON-repair of this watch, I learned a lot. First, when this jewel (the Patek) operates correctly, it runs like a charm. It looks good and works well, and keeps perfect time. And the converse is just as true - when it does not operate correctly. The reason is that there are two versions of this Patek watch: An original and an improved "B" version. If you find a watch maker who knows what he is doing, he can make this modification to an "original version" Patek. It took me 8 years however before I discovered Rusty Tuggle of Antique Watch Co, right here in Atlanta, who made mine "right." After he corrected the problem, it has performed flawlessly for the past 10 years, never requiring any additional servicing. I do not have a model "name" for this Patek. It is AUTOMATIC wind only, and is manufactured only in 8Kt gold. And ALL PAtek movements are signed Patek. Patek uses no one else's movements. Let's make one thing clear, however: The Patek you refer to is not a Futurematic whatsoever. The Futurematic is known for a couple of unique features: 1) It was made first in 1952/1953. The Patek you refer to is a later 1970's watch. 2) The Futuremamtic has a "Power Reserve" indicator feature. The Patek does not. 3) The Patek CAN be wound by hand, manually (although quite difficult, it is possible nevertheless). The LeCoultre Futurematic winds ONLY throught proper operation of its automatic bumper-wind movement. 4) There are LOTS of what is referred to as "back-Set" or Backwind movement watches. They were/are made to show a symmetrical look to the watch. The Patek falls into this category. 5) The Patek may COST you more than a Futurematic - But there is only ONE Futurematic and there is nothing else quite like it. Good Luck in whatever pursuit you make. Mikey in Atlanta | ||
| David Silverman Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Thanks Mikey for all the information. The one I have recently seen also has the blue dial and the braclet and watch are all one piece in 18K gold. (I am sure you meant 18K not 8K) From what I understand Patek did sell the original Lunar Nautilus model 28-225 made by Lecoultre in 1976. | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 1222 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
Patek has definitely used LeCoultre movements in the past. In fact LeCoultre came very close to acquiring them in the 1920s (or 30s) if memory serves. | ||
| David Silverman Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Any chance you can post a photo of the duoplan movement? thanks, David | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 1229 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
Here is an old ad for one, they're back set with a two plane movement.  | ||
| Mike Lulejian New member Username: Mikey100 Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2005 Rating: N/A |
David: I have more information for you. Yes ... You are so correct. I made a typo. The watch we both are referring to was only made avilable in 18kt Gold - but BOTH in white gold, as well as in Yellow gold. Mine case is deisgned for a Leather band. They also made a version with an attached 18 kt gold bracelet. There was no "name" for this watch. It was simply referred to an "PP1716" (Round). The Patek Reference Number is: "Ref 3569 CAL 1 350" It is a 28 jewel automatic-wind movement watch. And you can bet you last dollar THIS PP came with a Patek-made movement. It is 36 mm wide. And is watch resistant. By the way, the watch is CA 1970. Hope this helps you. It is a GORGEOUS watch and well-worth owning. Best Wishes to you. Mikey Lulejian Atlanta, GA | ||
| GregB Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Since Zaf mentioned the Cartier version of the JLC DuoPlan in post #1214 above, I thought I'd upload a picture of one of these rare models that is on my bench right now being restored. The "E.W.& C. Co." signature on the movement statds for the European Watch and Clock Company, which was the standard signature for Cartier movements. The case is solid platinum on this particular model. It was produced in 1957. Greg    | ||
| David Silverman Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Thanks again for all the PP information. Now back to Lecoultre for a moment. I have a tank type rectangular LC vintage 1930's in a 10K Gold filled Wadsworth case. I have worn the watch for so many years, it was my Grandfathers watch. It has always run perfectly but the case is falling apart. I need a new case. This case has straps lugs for a 14mm strap that I have always felt were too small. It is hard to find regular length straps for it. Where can I get a new case in 14K or 18K gold??? I have seen a few of the same watches on ebay in the same gold filled case but I really prefer to put this fine movement in a new case with at least 16mm strap lugs. Is it possible to find one??? thanks, David | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 1236 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
Any chance at a photo? You can not obtain cases "new" so you'd basically be looking at finding a donor watch. |