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     Noiseboyuk New member Username: Noiseboyuk Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2010 Rating: N/A |
Hi, I just bought a JLC 'Polaris' and I have been advised that it may not be 'correct'. I've been pointed in your direction as 'absolute experts'. I'd appreciate your comments. I have attached a single picture, I cannot seem to get more than one picture uploaded - I guess I'm doing something wrong! Any suggestions for posting multiple images gratefully received. Otherwise I can email them to you. Thanks in advance.  | ||
| Franco New member Username: Franco Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2010 Rating: N/A |
Here are links to your pictures: http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/noiseboyuk2000/JLC%20Polaris/J11aJLCPolar is10000.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/noiseboyuk2000/JLC%20Polaris/J11bJLCPolar is.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/noiseboyuk2000/JLC%20Polaris/J11dJLCPolar is.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/noiseboyuk2000/JLC%20Polaris/J11eJLCPolar is.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/noiseboyuk2000/JLC%20Polaris/J11fJLCPolar is.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/noiseboyuk2000/JLC%20Polaris/J11cJLCPolar is.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/noiseboyuk2000/JLC%20Polaris/J11gJLCPolar is.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/noiseboyuk2000/JLC%20Polaris/J11hJLCPolar is.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/noiseboyuk2000/JLC%20Polaris/J11iJLCPolar is.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/noiseboyuk2000/JLC%20Polaris/J11jJLCPolar is.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/noiseboyuk2000/JLC%20Polaris/J11lJLCPolar is.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/noiseboyuk2000/JLC%20Polaris/J11kJLCPolar is.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/noiseboyuk2000/JLC%20Polaris/J11mJLCPolar is.jpg | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 4697 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
A lot of things wrong with it, crowns are not genuine, dial is redone and the rotating divers insert is not correct. The case back has a high chance of being made up as well. The movement is genuine, the middle of the case is possibly genuine. Overall, I don't like it at all! | ||
| Franco New member Username: Franco Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2010 Rating: N/A |
Hi, here is a comparison between some of your pictures (on the left side) and from a 1968 Polaris. Sorry to say but I have seen some 2 or 3 of these on eBay on the last year, and are probably fakes with an original 825 from a Memovox. Give it back if you have the option http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Ingenieur/Pola_comp.jpg | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 4699 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
I've looked at the larger photos on another forum, and I think the entire case is made up! Several details do not look correct. | ||
| Ilja Moderator Username: Ilja Post Number: 297 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
Sorry to say, but fake all the way except the 825 movement which is original "mass production" by JLC. | ||
| Gregb Advanced Member Username: Gregb Post Number: 279 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
As Polaris models have risen quickly in price, I suppose it was inevitable that fake cases and dials would begin appearing. This example had some obvious flaws, but I can see how they might be corrected in the next iteration of counterfeits, making the buying/selling of these models a much more dangerous endeavor. Spooky! | ||
| Franco New member Username: Franco Post Number: 6 Registered: 08-2010 Rating: N/A |
I'm sure we will see more, as this is not an isolated case. I have seen two or three of these coming on eBay from an Australian seller, and then one from eBay France. I suspect this last one was in fact from somebody who bought from the Australian seller. It sold for 8,000 EUR - quite a lot of money for a fake. | ||
| Gregb Advanced Member Username: Gregb Post Number: 280 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Yes, I know the Australian seller you're speaking of. They seem to operate under a couple of different IDs and sell tons of frankenwatches and re-cased pocketwatches. | ||
| Effendi New member Username: Effendi Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2010 Rating: N/A |
Right, totally fake...here is a good one.... BTW: My name is Michael and normally I am into vintage Rolex and Patek but sometimes I can not resist.... http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk109/efffendi/Polaris%2068%20JLC/IMG_0943.jp g | ||
| Gregb Advanced Member Username: Gregb Post Number: 302 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
And of course, after learning the Polaris was a complete fake, the seller promptly pulled it permanently from the market, right? WRONG. The fake Polaris is listed for sale on eBay again. *sigh* | ||
| Franco New member Username: Franco Post Number: 8 Registered: 08-2010 Rating: N/A |
Yes, it looks to be the same. Buy-it-now at USD 12,000 he has set, well knowing that it is a fake. Makes me sick. | ||
| Sweiss New member Username: Sweiss Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2010 Rating: N/A |
I'm not seeing it on ebay. Do you have an item number? I'm in the market for an original, and would like to see what it looks like as it relates to counterfeits. Thanks. | ||
| Franco New member Username: Franco Post Number: 9 Registered: 08-2010 Rating: N/A |
I think it has been pulled out. F | ||
| Gregb Advanced Member Username: Gregb Post Number: 304 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Franco, I worry that is was simply remove to accept a Buy-It-Now offer from an unwary victim, because the seller's response to my email indicated that he would *not* remove it. When I wrote the seller stating that the case, bezel, dial and all parts of the watch except thew movement were counterfeit (and giving the reasons why, the seller wrote back: "hi, thank you for you e-mail, the watch was just returned from jlc , the crowns are new as tyou can read, the dial is a okd restored and the case is ok. however i will check. regards richard" I *highly* doubt the truthfulness of the seller's claim that this watch was "returned from JLC", so I'm also skeptical that the seller would remove the auction out of conscience. I just wanted to alert readers to pay extra close attention to any Polaris they see on other markets, because this one may circulate outside eBay if it was sold to an unsuspecting dealer who bought it to flip. Greg | ||
| Christopherg Junior Member Username: Christopherg Post Number: 35 Registered: 03-2010 Rating: N/A |
I had a similarly edifying experience with a Universal Polerouter Sub super-compressor I actually bought on eBay for what seemed a truly excellent price. I immediately had it inspected by my watchmaker who advised that the movement, although genuine Universal, was a 'drawer' movement that was not original to the watch. By that he meant that it was badly worn and scratched as tho' it had sat a long time in a drawer, in a way that could not have happened to a movement that had spent its life in a watch case. He could smoothe all that damage out, but it wouldn't change the reality. I was able to return it for a full refund, but days later it was back on eBay and smoke me if it didn't sell for twice what I paid for it! As has been said on another forum, 'you gotta love eBay - it rewards knowledge, diligence and deft action, but punishes ignorance, foolishness & greed.' Chris Chris |