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Andr� Vietor
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 04:32 am:   

Hello Zaf,
I'm a big JLC admirer and I know quite a bit of their achievements. However, I have a doubt concerning the following: Sometimes I see that on several vintage JLC timepieces the dial is signed "Jaeger-LeCoultre" and the movement "LeCoultre" only. Is this possible? If yes, what is the explanation for it?
Thanks for coming back to me.
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Zaf
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 07:51 am:   

WHat you describe doesn't happen in general with the exception of the JLC Geomatic. It sounds like someone has rerpainted or exchanged the dial to make a U.S. Market watch look more valuable. This happens a lot on the aution sites.
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datchary jean jacques
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 10:04 am:   

lecoultre is a trade mark made for us market !
( lecoultre alone exist of course !!!)
you will find the same model with this botht name ( and somethime with gubelin )
on the memovox you will see "unajusted" on the movement ,it just for jlc to don't pay some tax on u s a !
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Zaf
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 10:15 am:   

Also, the Geophysic is marked as I said above. Those have "LeCoultre" signed movements as well even though they have JLC dials. One of the other exceptions is the 1940s RAF 6B/159 which will generally have "LeCoultre" on the dial and JLC on the movement. Why? No ones knows for sure.
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Ilja Probst
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 10:40 am:   

Another exception are very late 60�s and 70�s JLC, under some circumstands the movement is signed LeCoultre while the dial shows Jaeger-LeCoultre.
BUT: The movement shall not have the VXN signature on the balance bridge.
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Andr�
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 11:12 am:   

Thanks for your very valuable comments. What might also happen then is that a whole movement could have been replaced since many models and cases are the same. In other words an JLC signed movement has been exchanged by an amercian market LC signed movement.
I will give you a straight example. Right now there is a nice JLC Reverso dated back to 1930's at ebay. Dial is signed JLC and the movement LC only. This would be uncommon?
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Zaf
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 11:18 am:   

Please post the link and I'll tell you if it correct or not.
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Andr�
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 11:23 am:   

Please have a look at this link:
http://cgi.ebay.es/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4981857451
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Zaf
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 11:40 am:   

A movement serial number dates it to late 1932/1933. The JLC signature, as far as I know did not appear until 1937. If my factory sources are accurate there is a mismatch between the dial & movement signatures. Given the low serial number of the case, I'd conclude that the dial is not original to the watch.
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Andr�
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 11:57 am:   

Thanks again.
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Ilja Probst
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 06:48 am:   

This particular watch got an NOS dial.
Zaf, we know the seller, it�s *our* Peter. :-)
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David Silverman
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Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 12:09 am:   

Can you please date this LeCoultre VXN 17 jewel movement for me. #329652
thanks as always,
David
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Zaf
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Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 11:52 am:   

1945-1946 give or take.