| Author | Message | ||
     Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 15 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Hi! Do you know if this one is a real one? Thanks!  | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 16 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
And the inside  | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 17 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
They say it is a 1959 watch??? | ||
| Clavi New member Username: Clavi Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2006 Rating: N/A |
You should show up the close-up picture of the dial. The picture of the movement won't tell anything as there wouldn't be any difference anyway. As I said elsewhere (and was said here by Herrk), the outer dial is clearly redone. The inner one looks very very close to what it should be so it "might" be original (coming from this watch but most likely from a donor). Again I will repeat myself, but you will almost never get reassurance that the memovox was born as a worldtime (and given the track record of this particular seller, I think the is little hope to have with this regards). On this one, I would pass my turn (I would on most of them anyway) | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 20 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
What would be the value in your opinion? 2000 euros? | ||
| Clavi New member Username: Clavi Post Number: 14 Registered: 11-2006 Rating: N/A |
This case style (3160 / 3161 if i remember right, Zaf?) is quite rare in itself. The redialing job is of good quality although too white and not 100% accurate. All in all, bearing the non-original condition of the dial but the good restored condition of the watch 2000� would be acceptable for someone whose not looking for 100% accuracy but for a good looking, good quality, good condition watch (though I doubt the seller would let it go at this price...) | ||
| Hexonx New member Username: Hexonx Post Number: 178 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
Clavi, you must know this guy  . I read his neutral and negative feedback and boy is he arrogant. He also gives it to the next highest bidder if you take too long. However I didn't seem any classic no longer available or sold in store type excuses so he Keke might have a chance at it. As far as the watch goes, the work is nice except, the second hand is still original dirty compared to the hour and minute hands. That to me isn't a complete job. It looks kind of cheesy. IMO. | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 21 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Henonx I don't undestand well what you are saying. My english is not good enough. | ||
| Hexonx New member Username: Hexonx Post Number: 179 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
Keke- No problem. I will send you email. You can read for yourself about the seller. Regarding the watch, I was just commenting that the second hand doesn't look the same shade as the hour and minute hand which look cleaner. I would want it to be the same level of lighting to match for that money. | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 22 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
I have found another one.  | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 23 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
It is for me the first time I see one with the city name written entirely. These watches are so beautiful, my godness!! 50 years after!! | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 24 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
And a closer picture now!  | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 25 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
And this one in 10 Gold with day at the right  | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 2696 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
BOTH those dials look redone to me. Do you think that the "K" in "New York" would be hidden by the triangle marker on an original dial?? Do you think the "S" in S. Francis would be hidden by the outer dial? Come on. This guy is ripping people off. | ||
| Herman New member Username: Herman Post Number: 17 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
This discussion seems to be at cross purposes. Most people here are for genuine, authentic vintage. However there's clearly a market for agressively restored and refinished hybrid watches looking like they're 50 year old virgins. The World Time has just the James-Bond feel for that market. I think Keke should just purchase one of these shiny watches and be happy. It'll run fine and he'll get lots of admiring looks. | ||
| Herman New member Username: Herman Post Number: 18 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
the only thing is: in order to attain that happiness Keke should stop asking himself "is it real"? | ||
| Blgg New member Username: Blgg Post Number: 76 Registered: 04-2007 Rating: N/A |
Why is it the fashion today to wear pie-plate size watches that are entirely out of proportion with human physiology? I suspect I know what Freud would suggest, but what do blog readers opine? | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 2697 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
I actully like big watches, the small stuff is getting harder and harder for me to read at a glance! | ||
| Hexonx New member Username: Hexonx Post Number: 182 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
Zaf- How about this work of art redial. It makes me want to yak out loud. BIN for $399.  | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 26 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
yes bit until now I think that I have never seen a Worldtime with everybody saying that is an original one. | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 2698 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
because 95% are fake. There are only 1-2 case references, at least for the European model, that started off as world times. The rest have had the disk added, generally as part of a reprint. | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 27 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Ok, in that case do you have picture of ONE ORIGINAL? | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 2700 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
The correct case reference for a European world time is 3160. I do not currently have one. I do have the watch as a "parking" alarm which is reference 3161. It's the same case as far as I can tell. I have a USA market world time that came with box and papers, if you want pictures of either that or the parking, I can provide. | ||
| Gregb New member Username: Gregb Post Number: 32 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Keke, For reference, you can look at the following 2 pictures below (excuse the glare). I know with absolute certainty that this dial is original and correct:   Greg | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 28 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Ok good to know WHICH ONE IS ORIGINAL. But even on this one ( gold) "co" is missing at the end of San francisco. One question: The arrow is on NY on lecoultre and on Geneva if this id a JLC?? | ||
| Blgg New member Username: Blgg Post Number: 77 Registered: 04-2007 Rating: N/A |
here's some meat for the hounds  ... to be found on a notorious auction site - from Australia. | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 29 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Great watch but what can assure that THIS one is an original dial?? | ||
| Blgg New member Username: Blgg Post Number: 78 Registered: 04-2007 Rating: N/A |
Keke -- The solution for you is to buy a standard Memovox for half the price - and send the inside dial in for a redial - to the specifications you ultimately desire and dictate. You can then rest stone dead assured it's a fake. | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 30 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
It is a way to see the problem. Do you know somebody who can do a worltime disk suitable to the watch? But for sure i would prefer a original one. | ||
| Gregb New member Username: Gregb Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Keke, In answer to your questions in post #28, the "co" on the end of S. Francisco is NEVER printed on a genuine Memovox Worldtime dial. There isn't enough room on the dial so it is truncated. The black dials (both inner and outer) in post #77 by Blgg is are refinished. The New York and Bangkok cities aren't aligned correctly, the font is slightly incorrect, the "Memovox" printing on the center of the dial has the incorrect radius to the curve and isn't spaced correctly with the city names. The outer dial also is marked incorrectly at the bottom and doesn't agree with the luminous numerals and markers. Greg | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 31 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Gregb you seems to know perfectly the worldtime. What about mine at post 25 and about the 22? | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 34 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Is there a big value difference between memovox worldtime with day indication at 3 o'clock or without?? | ||
| Gregb New member Username: Gregb Post Number: 35 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Keke, The "Worldtime" in post 22/24 is absolutely a refinish. It isn't even a very good one. As Zaf pointed out, the applied alarm pointer covers part of the city names. Such a dial would never leave the factory. In addition, the Bangkok city name is not spelled correctly. There are also other small problems throughout. Your watch in post #25 is missing the Memovox logo on the center dial entirely. My experience has been that models with applied gold markers also usually had an applied gold alarm dial pointer instead of a painted one. Greg | ||
| Hexonx New member Username: Hexonx Post Number: 183 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
Greg- Good points. I was curious about the crystal on the memovox and memodate. Mine seems to be pretty hard. Would you know what the factory crystal type would be? Thanks. | ||
| Gregb New member Username: Gregb Post Number: 37 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Hex, The crystal on my 14K Worldtime shown above is original. I seem to remember it being glass, but I'll have to dig it out of the safe to double check. Greg | ||
| Herman New member Username: Herman Post Number: 20 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
This same dealer has put up a regular JLC now (same as mine incidentally) which looks just too mint to be true, claiming the dial has not been refinished. 320139006303 I guess it's a great place to get vintage stuff looking like it's brandnew. One just shouldn't expect the product hasn't been tinkered with. | ||
| Keke New member Username: Keke Post Number: 38 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
His speciality semms to say not refinished when they are. I have seen he has watches worth 3 milions euros! | ||
| Hexonx New member Username: Hexonx Post Number: 185 Registered: 09-2005 Rating: N/A |
Greg, thanks for the info. I'm amazed how well my WT crystal has stood up to the elements. I didn't know glass was so resistant to scratching. It makes sense if you compare it to plastic. |