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     Michael_m Junior Member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
again a LeCoultre Valjoux 72 C triple calendar watch in ebay with single line signature on the movement. It looks perfect, I cannot believe that all this perfect single line signatured watches are fakes, but they look too perfect and all identical signed. Who can find so much unsigned cases and movements to add the "LeCoultre" signature perfect on it, without dragging down a bit before. And why would anyone do that ? All full calendar chronographs are rare and no longer cheap. look here: http://www.ebay.de/itm/320995920482?nma=true&si=bW4J2N%2Fmzk7xzxvuyl9OYvQavjI%3D &rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2557&orig_cvip=true | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 5745 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
It's fake. I've discussed these half a dozen times and there is no point in repeating myself as to why it is fake. Show me ONE U.S.A. catalog that features a 72C in it. No such catalog exists. (Message edited by admin on October 12, 2012) | ||
| Michael_m Junior Member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
without dragging down a bit before. And why would anyone do that ? All full calendar chronographs are rare and no longer cheap. Why and how should anyone make that perfect fake, to get the same money as before without "LeCoultre" ? I own more as 160 Valjoux 72C calendar chronographs, but I found only one without signature on the dial and bridge in my life. And if the bridge is abraded or the dial is re-printed, then I see that 100% sure. But here is not. | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 5746 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
I don't have anything to add. Here is the old thread for reference: http://www.classicwatch.com/discus/messages/622/50756.html?1292337999 | ||
| Michael_m Junior Member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 26 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
And if someone is able to make such perfect fakes, why he dont fake it to Heuer or Breitling, because he gets double the price, or Rolex, than he can earn 50 times more? | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 5747 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
The same guy makes Breitlings, Ulysee Nardin and Longines as well. You can get them at the Munich show. His table is full of them. People that know what they are doing don't buy them, but many German retail customers do, paying top prices. | ||
| Michael_m Junior Member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
The same guy makes Breitlings. Its not possible. I have never seen in my life a nearly perfect fake Breitling Datora, they are all primitive and instantly recognizable, it cannot be the same faker. The typical Breitling case have only Breitling and LePhare, but never unsigned. To fake a LePhare to Breitling without grind is not possible. | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 5748 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
The Breitlings he makes are left unsigned and are easy to spot, usually simple 2 register models, 1940s appearance. The Longines he makes is a strange pilot style model with a rotating bezel which I see online from time to time. He also makes a Ulysse Nardin 72C and dabbles in faking military watches. These LeCoultre you keep coming up with are easy to spot as well, as the movement markings have nothing to do with watches sold in the USA. | ||
| Michael_m Junior Member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
Hello Zaf, I understand for a long time, what you're saying, but you go conscious not to my arguments. To fake such a watch, you have to have one (or more) complete no-name Datoras with Valjoux 72C (case, dial, movement), you have to print a (almost) perfect dial, and you need to find an unsigned bridge, because a signed abraded bridge you can see very easy. The whole thing is not worth the effort, to sell this "LeCoultre" for 2000 Euro. A nice no-name Datora also costs 2000, - Euro. Where is the sense of this fake? Could it be that only "LeCoultre" signed Datoras were sold after 1944 outside the United States, or is this theorie absolut impossible ? , | ||
| Michael_m Junior Member Username: Michael_m Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2010 Rating: N/A |
And if this alleget fakers are able to work so perfect and to produce so nice LeCoultres, why they dont take a real american imported 3 line signed bridge from a cheaper or defect Valjoux 72 or 23 non-calendar LeCoultre and put it on this Datora. After nobody could say, that this bidge is faked. Its much easier to find a real Valjoux 72 (non calendar)LeCoultre as to find a unsigned(case and bridge) of a no-name Valjouc 72C Datora. And if you have this Valjoux 72 LeCoultre, its easy for a watchmaker to add the calendar tools and look for a "new" printed dial or cut the "windows" for the calendar in an original Valjoux 72 dial. The ohter way to fake a no-name Datora to a "LeCoultre" is much more complicate and expensive. | ||
| Ilja Moderator Username: Ilja Post Number: 342 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: |
Michael me thinks you are trying to cross marketing your own stuff! Zaf and I are in the market for [Jaeger-]LeCoultre for ages, me being totally focused on this particular brand. We never ever saw any evidence like an catalog picture, a pricelist or any little spare part envelope for this beast. We bought old printed stuff by the kilos spending a fortune preparing for the book project. And you have the fukkin' nerves to come here repeatedly arguing a non-issue with us?! You even never understood the brand holding design for different markets and produkts, otherwise you would NOT brain fart such bullshit: "Could it be that only "LeCoultre" signed Datoras were sold after 1944 outside the United States, or is this theorie absolut impossible ?". Leave this place and play elsewhere. Periode. | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 5759 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
I don't have anything to add. Until I see these 20 different 72Cs in ONE catalog, they're fake. The factory itself confirmed the same during the research for the book. Show us ONE catalog or parts list for these please, otherwise let it go once and for all. Thanks. |
