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     Driver8660 Junior Member Username: Driver8660 Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2010 Rating: N/A |
what watch case maker was assigned number three (3), stamped in the key hallmark on the inside of solid gold watch cases, era 30's, 40's and the location of manufacture. | ||
| Gregb Advanced Member Username: Gregb Post Number: 277 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: |
Still coming back to the forum to ask questions after you made all those nasty remarks about Zaf in email? You called him a "non american" and a "sissy from india" (wrong ethnic background, by the way) who "thinks he knows it all" and "can't give straight answers"? Then, when I told you that your comments about Zaf were offensive and out of line, you started spamming my email addresses with more insults and crazy rants. I'm certainly not inclined to offer you help and I doubt others will either. | ||
| Driver8660 Junior Member Username: Driver8660 Post Number: 24 Registered: 03-2010 Rating: N/A |
didnt ask for your advice gregb, i was hoping a true expert on swiss watches would have an answer, as you, by your comments, proves you are not. and o yea, i dont spam anything, except for the stuff in a can. i've read all your threads in this forum going back to 2005, and it appears you are the crazy one, based on various posts of yours. you just want to sell fake buckles, when in 2006 you dogged a company for doing the very same thing. what gives greg. keep it to the subject line, not your own foolish posts. and again, to anyone who knows, what does the key hallmark with the three (3) stamped in it refer to, in particular, company name and location, era 30's~40's.  | ||
| Gregb Advanced Member Username: Gregb Post Number: 278 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Nice try at slander. I've never sold a fake buckle in my life, and those who follow my posts on this forum know that I have absolutely zero tolerance for fakes of any kind. | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 4700 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
Driver8660 I'm not sure what the issue is here exactly, but you seem to be very demanding of people that during their own personal time, give out information for free. To answer your question regarding the numeral inside of a key, it relates to the thickness of the gold on the case back. I think it is in millimeters. So a 3 or a 3/10s would be a case that has a wall of 0.3 mm. This is so that people would not thin the case out and keep its gold. It is not a manufacturer mark. | ||
| Driver8660 Junior Member Username: Driver8660 Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2010 Rating: |
just seeking the truth. tick-talk Favorite Saying: �"Though we attain not yet we shall have shared Together, for a space, the bread and wine, Have stood together on the peak of dreams And seen far off the mystic city shine." Ethel Clifford, 1903� Poin�on de Ma�tre Hi all! Prior to leaving for a few weeks on vacation, I'd like to share this information recently received from the Swiss Assay Office regarding the case markings on wrist watches. Since 1934, all precious metal watch cases made or imported into Switzerland must carry a responsibility mark or poin�on de ma�tre to easily identify the case maker and won't be found on buckles or bracelets. Members of l'Union suisse pour l'Habillage de la Montre (USH) use one of six collective responsibility marks, or Poin�on de Ma�tre Collectif. and they are: No.1 Hammer-head or hammer without handle, No. 2 Hammer with handle, No. 3 Marquee, No. 4 Crossbow, No. 5 Key, and No. 6 Shield. The actual case maker is identified by a two or three digit number inside the symbol. Two digits usually signifies a maker from Geneva. For example, this is the Key mark from a 1950's piece. Together with the "23", it identifies the case maker as Eggly & Cie from Geneva. Poin�on de Ma�tre No.1, Hammer-head: 2 F. Baumgartner SA 11 Manufacture Taubert 26 Ponti, Gennari & Cie 100 Union Suisse pour l�Habillage de la Montre 101 Junod Freres & Cie 102 Arnez-Droz & Cie 103 Pro-Boites SA 104 Manufacture Cartier La Chaux-de-Fonds 105 Les Fils de Jules Blum 106 Louis Wursten fils 107 Mme. H. Cattin, Successeur de Francois Cattin 108 Jacques Beiner/Roger Parel SA 109 Oreade, Manufacture de boites SA 112 G&C Ducommun SA 115 Manufacture Favre & Perret SA 116 Fluckiger & Cie 117 Guillod Gunther SA 119 Gindraux SA 121 Guillod Gunther SA 122 Oreade, Manufacture de boites SA 123 Pfenniger & Cie SA 124 Manufacture Cartier La Chaux-de-Fonds 126 Orac SA, Andre Brauchi 127 G. Balet SA 128 Jung & Cie 129 JSG SA 130 Junod & Fils 132 Eric Monnier 135 Orixa SA 136 C.R. Spillmann SA 137 Paul Voumard 140 B. et C. Dubois 141 Gabus Freres, Oracier SA 142 Envers SA 143 Classicor SA 147 Charles Kohli 148 Vuilliomenet & Cie SA 149 Wyss & Cie 150 Ernst Bohlen 151 Hermann Heggendom AG 152 Jean Curty SA 156 Helbein Freres & Co. 158 Jean Arnoux 161 Joseph Erard SA 163 BGM Miserez SA 166 Henri Jeanneret 167 Carnal & Cie SA 168 A. Bahler & fils 170 Cedex, Charles Dubois SA 171 Bernard Dubois SA 172 Novelor, Jean-Pierre Dubois 173 Pierre-Antoine Nardin & Cie 174 Boites de montres Huguenin SA 175 Max Fuchs SA 176 Bielna SA 177 Gerard Queloz SA 178 Pernador SA 179 La Centrale 180 U. Paratte fils 181 Fabrique de boites P. Etienne SA 183 Nouvelle Piquerez SA 184 Schmitz & Cie 201 Hermann Bodemer SA 202 Bijoux Bonnet SA 204 Marcel Girardin 205 Georges Meroz SA 206 Varac SA 207 A.J. Niestle 210 Rubattel & Weyermann SA 211 Spichiger, Hoffmann & Cie 212 Marcel Etienne 213 Rene Fer SA 214 Montadon & Cie 215 G. Schwab 217 Jean Lampert 218 J. Beiner, successeur de Gianoli 219 Soguel & Co. 220 Bijouterie M-H Baillod 221 Manufacture Cartier La Chaux-de-Fonds 351 Revor, Walter Brusa 352 Serva SA 353 Stila SA 354 Grandjean Sarl 355 Henri Viatte 356 Simon & Membrez SA 357 Calame & Cie SA 358 Bernard Paratte 359 F. de G. SA 360 Jaquet SA 361 Bruno Affolter SA 362 Celinor SA 363 Donze-Baume SA 364 Manufacture Ruedin SA 365 Louis Lang SA 366 EMG Micromecanique SA 367 Valentini SA 368 Habra SA 369 Jean Paratte Sarl 370 AS Line SA 371 Froidevaux freres 372 Miguel Gil 373 Manufacture de boites de montres MRP SA 374 Jean-Pierre Hadorn 375 Boitor SA 376 Neuenschwander Composants Horologers SA 377 Paul Wyss SA 378 Queloz SA 400 Centre-Boites SA Poin�on de Ma�tre No. 2, Hammer with handle: 115 Manufacture Favre & Perret SA 160 Joseph Erard SA Poin�on de Ma�tre No. 3, FFBA Marquee: 1 G. Graber SA 2 Bielna SA 3 A. Breguet SA 4 La Centrale 5 Heng & Buhlmann 6 Nobs & Hermann 7 A. Maeder-Leschot 8 Meyer & Wetzel 10 Schmitz & Cie 12 Averos SA 13 Fabrique de boites Tramelan SA 14 H. Finger AG 15 Girard Freres 16 Heuri Freres 18 Schmitz freres & Cie SA 19 Ducommun & Cie 20 Manufacture Cartier La Chaux-de-Fonds 22 Nobilia SA 23 Pauli Freres 24 BGM Miserez SA 25 Gerber Freres SA 26 Louis Lang SA 27 Luthy Freres 28 Varrin & Cie 30 G. Hamel successeurs & Cie 31 Fabrique de boites P. Etienne SA 33 Crevoisier & Cie 34 Donze-Baume SA 36 Joseph Erard SA 37 Leon Frossard 38 G & E Bouille SA 39 Jeangros Freres & Cie 40 Albin Jobin 41 BGM Miserez SA 42 Manufacture Mirval SA 43 Jean Parattte Sarl 44 Pretat SA 45 Voisard SA 46 Boites de montres Huguenin SA 47 Eric Monnier 48 Oreade, Manufacture de boites SA 49 Pfenniger & Cie SA 50 Joseph Erard SA 51 Artisanor SA 52 Orac SA, Andre Brauchi 53 Cedex, Charles Dubois SA 54 Revor, Walter Brusa 55 Classicor SA 56 Stila SA 57 Edmor SA 58 Gabus Freres, Oracier SA 59 A & J-L Glauser/Diamantor 60 Union Suisse pour l�Habillage de la Montre (USH) 61 Manufacture Cartier La Chaux-de-Fonds 62 Max Fuchs SA 63 Henri Viatte 64 Bernard Paratte 65 Froidevaux freres 66 Habra SA 67 Manufacture Cartier La Chaux-de-Fonds 68 Paul Wyss SA Poin�on de Ma�tre No. 4, Crossbow: 1 S. Graber SA 2 Bielna SA 3 A. Breguet SA 4 La Centrale 5 Heng & Buhlmann 6 Nobs & Hermann 7 A. Maeder-Leschot 8 Meyer & Wetzel 10 Schmitz & Cie 12 Averos SA 13 Fabrique de boites Tramelan SA 14 H. Finger AG 15 Girard Freres 16 Heuri Freres 18 Schmitz freres & Cie SA 19 Ducommun & Cie 20 Manufacture Cartier La Chaux-de-Fonds 22 Nobilia SA 23 Pauli Freres 24 BGM Miserez SA 25 Gerber Freres SA 26 Louis Lang SA 27 Luthy Freres 28 Varrin & Cie 30 G. Hamel successeurs & Cie 31 Fabrique de boites P. Etienne SA 33 Crevoisier & Cie 34 Donze-Baume SA 36 Joseph Erard SA 37 Leon Frossard 38 G & E Bouille SA 39 Jeangros Freres & Cie 40 Albin Jobin 41 BGM Miserez SA 42 Manufacture Mirval SA 43 Jean Parattte Sarl 44 Pretat SA 45 Voisard SA 46 Boites de montres Huguenin SA 47 Eric Monnier 48 Oreade, Manufacture de boites SA 49 Helbein Freres & Co. 50 Federation des fabricants de boites argent (FFBA) 67 Manufacture Cartier La Chaux-de-Fonds Poin�on de Ma�tre No. 5, Key: 1 Ed. Wenger SA 2 F. Baumgartner SA 4 Antoine Gerlach SA 5 Genevor SA 6 Francois Tavernier SA 7 Fabior, Olivier Judas 8 C. Markowski 9 Emile Vichet SA 10 Union Suisse pour l�Habillage de la Montre (USH) 11 Manufacture Taubert 12 Genex SA 13 Humbert-Droz & Fortner 14 J + E Bonard & Cie 15 Uli Rotach 17 R. Schneider 18 Chappuis 19 Marc Houriet 20 Artisanor SA 21 Ponti & Cie SA 22 H. Maire SA 23 Eggly & Cie 24 Sogno SA 26 Ponti, Gennari & Cie 27 Adea Fontan Sarl 28 Patek, Philippe SA 29 Weber & Cie SA 30 Pellarin & Cie 31 Albert Lassieur 32 Gay Freres SA 33 Jules Megevand 34 G. Meuwly & Fils, P. Meuwly successeur 35 Claude + Francis Hertig 36 F. Kuhn SA 37 R. Staffelbach 38 Max Fuchs SA 39 Stylor SA 40 Centre-Boites SA 41 Rene Chambaz 42 F. de G. SA 43 Florian Favre SA 44 Toumor, Charles Brandt & Fils 45 Franck Muller Watch Land SA Poin�on de Ma�tre No. 6, Shield: 1 Ed. Wenger SA 2 F. Baumgartner SA 5 Genevor SA 6 Francois Tavernier SA 9 Emile Vichet SA 12 Genex SA 20 Artisanor SA 23 Eggly & Cie 24 Sogno SA 26 Ponti, Gennari & Cie 29 Weber & Cie SA 36 F. Kuhn SA   | ||
| Driver8660 Junior Member Username: Driver8660 Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2010 Rating: N/A |
still looking for the three(3). | ||
| Driver8660 Junior Member Username: Driver8660 Post Number: 27 Registered: 03-2010 Rating: N/A |
dont think it has anything to do with case thickness. greg dont bother. | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 4725 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
yes, you are right, I confused the key with the thickness stamp, visible in this photo: http://www.classicwatch.com/graphics/rx0692ib.jpg I don't know who 3 is. Proabably either JLC iself or Hermetica, SA who made their gold reverso cases. | ||
| Driver8660 Junior Member Username: Driver8660 Post Number: 28 Registered: 03-2010 Rating: N/A |
im going to step out their and guess LECOULTRE Co. on the three (3) in the key. got to love the swiss. |
