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     matt mcculloch New member Username: Mmmatt Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2006 Rating: N/A |
Hello, I hope someone here can help me out. I recently acquried a Wakmann pocket watch from my father to sell. It was a gift to him from my mother in the 60's or 70's. I sold the watch on ebay, and after receiving it the buyer sent me this: "Matt: I received the fake Wakmann watch today. This is a cheap watch with a cheap Swiss movement made by some outfit named Bleno watch. The movement is surrouded with a plastic spacer and was certainly not Made by Wakmann watch Co. at any time, let alone in the sixties or seventies. I want my money refunded including the shipping. Please respond asap. Sincerely: Ronald B. Gunar" http://cgi.ebay.com/Wakmann-swiss-made-pocket-watch_W0QQitemZ200014313473QQihZ01 0QQcategoryZ3940QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Well, all I know about this watch is what I have said above. I find it hard to believe that it is a fake. It's not like my mother ever bought any thing off a street vendor sor something. It was purchased from a local (Kenosha, WI) Jewelry shop. I don't want to rip anyone off but I also don't want to give back the money. I was honest in my listing. For all I know the guy has replaced the movement with this other brand and is trying to rip me off! Does anyone have any knowlege of Wakmann using other branded movements? Is there anywhere that I can go to find this information? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Matt | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 2096 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
I guess anything is possible in the Swiss watch industry in the 1970s, I guess you don't have a shot of the movement? | ||
| matt mcculloch New member Username: Mmmatt Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2006 Rating: N/A |
No... I never opened it up. Nobody has until this guy did. I probably should have before I sold it but I really don't know much about watches so it never occured to me. Before I give this guy any money back I will have the watch in my hands though for inspection. Maybe I can get him to send some pictures. Thanks for the responce. Matt | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 2099 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
It would be really surprising for someone to go to great lengths to swap movements on your watch. It really wouldn't be worth the effort and cost. My guess, is that either that is how it was made OR it was swapped out at some point during a repair in which the original movement was deemed unserviceable. | ||
| matt mcculloch New member Username: Mmmatt Post Number: 3 Registered: 08-2006 Rating: N/A |
yeah... seems like a lot of work over a $62 watch! I'm guessing they outsourced the movement. The watch was only warn by my father a handful of times and spent it's life in a jewlery box. It was never serviced unless it was before purchased by my mother. The buyer is taking it to a watchmaker in Sanfrancisco today to have him look at it. Matt | ||
| paul g wilks Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Hi, I have seen plenty of cheap Wakmanns but not that maker.The ones to watch out for are the ones marked Dolmy watch co.They are pretty junky.A year or two ago on the bay there were a bunch of NOS Wakmanns coming out of Europe,they all had cases and or movements marked Dolmy,I am sure they were all legitimate watches,just cheap ones.The one to really watch out for is the chronographs with the killer dials,if you do not know about these watches you can end up with a cheap Baumgartner low grade pin lever.I have also seen these watches on the bay with a lot of hype but not a good expnantion of the junky movements. | ||
| matt mcculloch New member Username: Mmmatt Post Number: 4 Registered: 08-2006 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Paul, That is very helpful. This buyer took the watch to a friend who owns "Omega Service center" in San Francisco and his buddy and he both think that the watch is a recently made fake. I know for FACT that this has been untouched in my fathers possesesion for about 30 years. I think I will invite him into this discussion and hopefully a few more will post to this thread with any knowlege they have of this. He is supposed to be emailing me some pictures of the movement and hopefully finding a serial number or model number inside the case. Thanks again. Matt | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 2102 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
Well, it's not like Wakmann as all that expensive a brand to begin with. I don't think anything can be determined unless you show the movement and shots of the insides of the case back. | ||
| matt mcculloch New member Username: Mmmatt Post Number: 5 Registered: 08-2006 Rating: N/A |
working on that now... last correspondance from him: Matt: There is no model or serial number. The markings on the movement are "Bleno Watch SA 17 seventeen jewels unadjusted swiss" The case has "Bourquard SA Base Metal Swiss Made" I wil try to send the photos again. Ron | ||
| matt mcculloch New member Username: Mmmatt Post Number: 6 Registered: 08-2006 Rating: N/A |
OK, Here are the pics. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/mmmatt/MVC-007S.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/mmmatt/MVC-006S.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/mmmatt/MVC-005S.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/mmmatt/MVC-004S.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/mmmatt/MVC-010S.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/mmmatt/MVC-009S.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/mmmatt/MVC-008S.jpg thanks in advance for any help. Matt | ||
| Paul G Wilks Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Matt, just noticed the auction pictures after having looked at your movement pictures.The watch looks exactly like I think it should be.I took one look at the auction pictures and was instantly familiar with this style of watch.It is just a typical base metal inexpensive watch.I have at least 10-15 similar examples,all of them NOS,and all from the same time period.The buyer got exactly what he bid on,the movement is exactly what one would expect from this type of watch.You did very well moneywise selling this and I think the buyer just has remorse over bidding so much for soemthing that is just a basic low grade watch | ||
| matt mcculloch New member Username: Mmmatt Post Number: 7 Registered: 08-2006 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Paul, That has been my feeling all along. Funny thing is he outbid another buyer by only a buck! I don't feel that I was misleading or elusive even in my listing. Sure I "hyped" it up a bit but that is what sales IS. My last correspondance to him suggested that if he was interested in what the movement looked like, he should have asked me to send interior pictures prior to him placing a bid. I would have done that without question! We have all been burned at one time or another on ebay because we bid emotionally thinking it was a steal, right! Are you a collector Paul, or are you involved in the industry? Matt | ||
| paul wilks Unregistered guest Rating: N/A |
Matt, I sell vintage watches for a living.I do collect but can only afford to add 1-2 pieces a year to my collection.My favorite watches are Lecoultre,especially any triple date or teardrop lugs model | ||
| matt mcculloch New member Username: Mmmatt Post Number: 8 Registered: 08-2006 Rating: N/A |
your posts have been extreemly helpful Paul. Thank you for sharing your knowlege. If ever anyone here needs any help in the relm of audio recording... specifically concert/location recording please come to my home away from home www.taperssection.com . Paul if you like live music and would like me to send you out a cd of one of my recordings please send me your address via the email addy in my profile. It would be the least I could do! Specify what type of music you like. I do about everything except popular music, rap or hiphop. Matt | ||
| John42 New member Username: John42 Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2009 Rating: N/A |
I recently inherited a Wakmann wrist watch - stainless steel 17 jewels, incabock,automatic, on the back side is engraved 619.73, guess about 30/40 years old. Excellent condition. Has anybody got a clue of the value of this watch? | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 3892 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
Sounds like something inexpensive. | ||
| Bombardier New member Username: Bombardier Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2009 Rating: N/A |
My Wakmann is marked: Incabloc, Anti magnetic, stainless steel, Swiss made, pressure tested to 5 ATM 71.1309.70 I guess it was made in 1970. It has a tri date movement. Bombardier | ||
| Manny New member Username: Manny Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2009 Rating: N/A |
my wakmann is marked incabloc antimagnetic,stainles steel and on the side have plague GID EPSA, i'm not sure if it is GID or 610,can you help me out and let me know what i have and how much is worth?,thanks. | ||
| Joe1joey New member Username: Joe1joey Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2010 Rating: N/A |
Hi, send pics...It is possibly a fine wakmann of the correct movement to be valuable/relative...but it is necessary to at least see face to get started with. Joe | ||
| Joe1joey New member Username: Joe1joey Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2010 Rating: N/A |
It need not be a fine watch. Wakmann made some very fine watches in the Breitling..and Gigandet era of swiss movements...especially the valjoux 72 series. Do not get put off by an 'expert' with little knowledge of the brand's history. I buy, sell, trade, collect, and otherwise study clockworks and watches. I am no 'expert' though, but am interested in all nicer pieces. Send pics and whatever info you like to me at [email protected]. | ||
| Jimh Member Username: Jimh Post Number: 88 Registered: 06-2007 Rating: N/A |
A note of reality here - Asking for pictures from a one-time poster (manny) who posted more than 4 months ago is rather futile. It would be nice if posters would start a new thread for their watch question rather than adding to a years old thread. | ||
| Zaf Moderator Username: Zaf Post Number: 4467 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: |
Jeez no kidding. I'm going to close down this thread. |
